Once we are saved are we always saved

This topic discusses the facts based on the scriptures listed below, that it is possible to lose your salvation.

Death awaits you if you turn from GOD

Ezekiel 33:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. (19) But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.

 

If your name is in the book of life, most would agree you are saved. However, if any man shall take away from the words of this prophecy, GOD shell take away his part out of  the book of life (this person will lose their salvation)

Revelation 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

2 Peter 2:20 Peter also cautions Christians, that, for after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the LORD and savior JESUS CHRIST (they are saved), they are again entangled therein, and overcome (they return to their evil ways), the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. (21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness (it had been better not to have known Jesus), then, after they have known it (after they are saved), to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them (to turn from Jesus, from the Word). (22) But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed (a person is clean or washed by the blood of Jesus) to her wallowing in the mire.

 

Galatians 3:3, 4 Paul asks, are ye so foolish? Having begun in the sprit (these are saved, they have the Spirit of God), are ye now made perfect the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain?-. He is asking them if they have suffered for Jesus in vain. He is cautioning them that, although they have suffered for Jesus, they can still be rejected and go to hell.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (4) Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

 

It is written, by this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word… otherwise you have believed in vain 1 Corinthians 15:2 You may be saved, but if you turn from the Word (from Jesus), it is all for nothing. You have believed in vain.

1Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

 

Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth (saved): but if the salt have lost his savor (that distinctive quality which sets apart or makes a difference between a saved person and an unsaved person)…it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.


2 Corinthians 15:2 And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.


 
Here is a parable spoken by Jesus:

Matthew 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; (4) And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

Here we have people who hear the word of GOD but refuse to listen or take heed. These are the ungodly, and sons of Satan, All we can do is pray for these people.

Matthew 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: (6) And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

Here we have people who heard the word and were moved by it. However it was short lived and had no root or substance to it. It would be possible at this time of short spiritual enlightenment that a person could be “saved”. I’m sure this has happened to almost everyone at sometime in their life.

However within a short period of time they turned back into their “old ways”. The sun was a test of their faith. I would find it hard to believe that such a person would be saved for eternity. It states that they were withered away this denies the deity of GOD and the power their of.

Matthew 13:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

Here we have the scenario where the seed (word) fell on thorns (ungodly people).  Let me do my own parable. A group of hells angles rode by a street corner preacher, the light turned red and they had to stop. One of the angles listened to the preacher. When they got to their “hide out” he mentioned that what the preacher said kind of made sense. He was immediately laughed at belittled and was told if you think that you’re out of the club. He replied well I guess your right let it go. The seed (word, by the preacher) fell among thorns (the hells angles) one took hold (the one who questioned the preachers word) the thorns sprang up (the others in the gang) and chocked them (removed the seed (word) from the riders mind) 

Matthew 13:8  But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Now here the seed fell on good ground (an open mind) if you are in this group it’s not important how fast you grow in the Lord but as long as you make a open and honest effort to serve God I believe you will be saved. We all grow at different levels, God does not expect us to be a 100 percent right, but constantly strive to learn and grow for his honor and glory.

 

We could relate this story to the one above. The one with one talent (a small amount of wisdom or knowledge of Gods word) did not increase its value, like the seed which fell upon stony places or fell among thorns. We cannot be complacent in our belief. If we don’t continue to strive toward the goal set before us,

God will remove his “talent” from us and give his talents to someone who will put then to good use. If a person starts out to follow GOD but stops short of the goal he is considered a unprofitable servant and cast into outer darkness.

Matthew 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. (16) Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. (17) And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.  (18) But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. (19) After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. (20) And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying,  (21) His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. (22) He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matthew 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. (24)  Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:  (25) And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. (26) His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:  (27) Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. (28) Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. (29) For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. (30) And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  

Deuteronomy 29:18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

 

Deuteronomy 29:19  And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

 

If your heart turneth away from GOD Deuteronomy 29:20 is your reward.

Deuteronomy 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

Basically if at one time you walked with GOD (were saved) and you turn away from him you will be cursed of GOD.

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Apparently as long as you do not draw back, God will have pleasure in you. But if you draw back into perdition, you are not of the saints (Gods chosen).  In order to draw back or to go part of the way, or if you return to the ways of the world ,  you would have needed to be on the path of God at first.

You start out by being on the road to perdition, Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. You then are saved which puts you on the road to salvation by faith.  But if you draw back from God, you are back on the road to perdition.

Hebrews 10:38-39 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. (39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Here are some questions to ask a once saved always saved person

Question 1

The “book of life”

I know how you get your name in the book of life:

Revelation 3:5  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 

I know what will happen if you are not in the book of life:

Revelation 13:8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Satan), whose names are not  written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  

Revelation 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

In order to be in the book of life you need to be saved (He that overcometh ) and a servant of GOD. If you can never be unsaved how you can be removed from the book of life? If you are removed from the book you first have to be in the book of life.

Revelation 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.  

Revelation 3:5  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and  before his angels.

 

Question 2

One thing GOD always allows us to do is to choose whether we will serve him or not. Everything is choice; we can choose to believe in him or not, believe he exists or not, believe in only some things, all things, or nothing.

When we are not saved it is by our own choice, but what happens once we are saved? At this point we have no choice but to be saved, no matter what we do or say we can not change the fact that we are saved.  If our personal choices no longer have any consequences how do you explain not having a choice? 

Question 3 

A very large portion of the New Testament is based on Jesus teaching the people. There are 15 references to thou shalt not in the New Testament (204 in the old). Why did Jesus teach thou shalt not if it makes no difference on you being saved? According to once saved always saved these commandments have no meaning at all.

If you answer that they do matter, then you are pointing to your works

If you answer no, why would Jesus waste 3 years of his life speaking on matters that have no meaning? You would think he would have spent most of his time explaining how to be saved?

Question 4

What is meant by this passage?

Matthew 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
 
Matthew 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

Once you are saved what is so strait and narrow about the way, you are not held accountable for any of your actions and it is impossible to become unsaved?

 

** Note all references are taken from the King James Version.